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You could if you had mulitple accounts on multiple computers. Not everyone does. But I did not say it would fix the problem. I said it could help.

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First, let me say that I am relatively new to this site or any other photo gallery site. However, I did do my homework, and this site had the best photos by far. I was proud to post and get critiques (good or bad) from such talented photographers. I am still a student and wished to learn from the masters. This is why I am hesitant to rate or critique other's photos, but I will gladly give praise to photos that move me. Personally, I don't enter the POTW contest to win any prize other than the praise from folks I consider far my superior in photographic arts, Photoshop or no Photoshop. To "cheat" in the POTW contest goes agianst everything I think this site stands for: great photographers helping good photographers get better, all good photographers love to look at good photos, no matter who took them, and the sharing of ideas among mature, adult, and generally good folks.

Sam

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I think we have two discussions going on about cheaters & cheating. First, those who cheat by high or low rating should be embarrassed. Let the photo stand on it's own merit. Let's be adults. This is a great site to share and learn. I find that the photos posted on the contest page get more comments than those in the sharing gallery. Both have their place. I like to have my shots critiqued so I can learn and become better.

Second, I have to disagree with those who say using digital darkrooms is cheating. Photographers have manipulated their shots in darkrooms forever. Ansel Adams was a master of this. When film is taken to a Walmart (sorry) or pro film developer it is color corrected etc., unless you specify differently. Is it fair that because we don't all have a traditional darkroom that our photos should suffer?

I don't believe we should create something that is not from the original photo. Maybe we should have a separate category for digitally created art etc.

I'll get done off my soapbox now.

Kevin

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If your directing cheaters and cheating in my direction........Read my posts again. I never one time said photoshop was cheating, and for Adams. I could care less what he did to his photo's. I don't make a living quoting or trying to sit and duplicate his work as you see so many on the mountain top trying to do..

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Photoshop and Cheating

Come on guys cheating = fooling yourself. I have a lots of experienced in being cheated in school and work. Taking the flory of others is not a good idea and will backfire to you (Karma).

I think photoshop is not a way of cheating. It is still a form of art. It is like laying your pictures in the center fold or as what the other guy said it is the digital darkroom. We have to admit that there is no perfect digital camera and we were disappointed if we were not able to get the best photo we want when we see it in our desktop. there are other things that we cannot do in photoshop like fixing the unfocused subject or creating the composition.

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sw2cam......I wasn't directing my comments at you, but since you bring it up, these are your words,

"I don't look at online photo contests because I could care less what people do in PhotShop or other software that repairs poor pictures. So cheat all you like."

Unless I missunderstand your words, it sounds like you just said using PS etc. is cheating. Sorry but you said to go back and check out your posts.

Editing tools should be used in the traditional ways (cropping, dodge, burn etc.) Digital Imagery should be kept in a separate category.

Also, I guess I am confused as to why you got involved in this forum. I could not find any photos in your gallery. I would love to see your work. You must be very good.

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I said I do not look at on-line foto contest, be cause I do not like pictures that have been photshopped. I Then used a period not a coma and repled to the topic of cheating.

So let me say it again


"I don't look at online photo contests because I could care less what people do in PhotShop or other software that repairs poor pictures. < notice the period and that I did not use a coma> So cheat all you like."

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quote:

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Originally posted by sw2cam

So let me say it again


"I don't look at online photo contests because I could care less what people do in PhotShop or other software that repairs poor pictures. < notice the period and that I did not use a coma> So cheat all you like."

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i used to be able to shoot multiple exposures with my film slr,something that can not be done with digital slr unless you use a software like photoshop and use layers.
photoshop is part of digital photography.even the images shot in 35mm that you see in magasines were enhance using photoshop.they were scaned and manipulated the same as digital files.
i believe that the camera is a tool to capture a image in time,it is not perfect and do not always represent what you saw,photoshop is a tool to help make it look closer to what you saw,with the vivid colors,or extreme contrast that a camera can not record,i think it only record 5f stops.
only my opinion

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Ok........I can live with that. Just so everyone can get an idea of what I'm talking about when I say manipulated. I linked a picture. Both have been photoshopped. One picture was overly done. So if a layman were to look at it, they may have no idea how the shot was made. Then again many people will will enter a photo in a contest and not mention what they have done to it. I'd like to see people not only say what they have done but to also show the original. That might give the newcomer the insite as to what was going on. My step Daughter for example has a new NIKON and after looking at pictures on-line just wants to give up her camera because she feels she'll never be able to get some of the effects she has seen. I've told her that many if not most have been doctored in photoshop. Just as film has been doctored for years. So my point is lets see both the original and the manipulaed photo. Give the newcomer the insite.

http://photobucket.com/albums/y11/S...40105-3-007.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/y11/S...3007copy7v3.jpg

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how about this example:

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/...=500&page=1

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/...php?photo=59197

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or this one:

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/...php?photo=59198

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/...=500&page=1

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For the life of me - I simply can't figure out why you (sw2cam) are so interested in stirring the pot here at bytephoto - if you have no images posted here?


To eye_c (producer of lovey images that you are) I can shoot multiple images with my dslr.... or I should say at least 2 - don't really know for certain if it's "multiple" - as I haven't explored that yet.....

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sorry shootem,i didnt know that it was possible in digital.is this a feature on your nikon d200?

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sw2cam, is your step daughters new camera a digital? If so she may be just like the rest of us, in the beginning we knew nothing as well. I was even against learning, thought it would be too hard, most of what I know is self taught. These days you can buy magazines with "How to" photoshop etc.

By the way the original image of the two you posted leaves the adjusted one for dead.

I think that if looking at great photos can put off your step daughter that easy, she is not a photographer at heart.

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