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Who'd would like to do me a big favor and volunteer to help me narrow down some photos I took .

I believe there are 68 I need it narrowed down to the best 15-20 photos .

I am not a professional by any means (as you can see in my photos , hahahaha ) .

But I do a lot of photography work for various online and print publications . I have NEVER got a complaint about my photos them self . But I usually get a lot of grief because I send in WAY too much photos to the editors . I'm always so indecisive it's so hard to for me to narrow them down to a reasonable number .

I just love doing photography work ! I'm trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can .

Equipment that was used (just in case anybody cares )
Is a digital rebel , the lens I use are a Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (this was my first time using that lens I just got it ) .
I also use a Tamron SP AF Aspherical XR DI 28-75mm f/2.8 (that's the lens I used most ) . I bought the other one for very low light small club shows I shot .

Here's the link to the web page , PLEASE somebody (or even more than one person doing it would be awesome ) .

Go through these photos real quick and let me know what photos you'd summit . Remember try to narrow it down to 15-20 photos . Just e-mail me or post the numbers here (example use biggerthane2-6-04 020.jpg , etc .... )

Also , can tips you guys can give me would also be great !

I hope I'm not bothering you guys on this forum too much I really highly appreciate all your help and suggestions .
Here's the link :
Just click the arrows on the left and right of the photo to go to the next photo or back .
http://www.joeyfoley.com/pages/bigg...-6-04%20020.htm

Thanks,
Joehttp://www.joeyfoley.com/pages/bigg...-6-04%20020.htm

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I did a quick one time through and put the photos in three groups -
best shots - good as reporting and good as an individual image - #s 115;211;218;259 -
good shots covering the event from different views 20;64;80;90;98;152;209;244 -
extras these either had someone in it that did not have a better shot or duplicates where there was a better shot 34;73;74;122;159;261;262;296;306;310

I understand why you get replies that you submit too much.

An editor has a limited amount of time to review your work. He has a right to expect you to pre-edit for him.

If these are going to be reproduced you should reject all pictures that are even slightly out of focus, not balanced well (composition), or too many shots with the same purpose.

Pictures with the mic in front of the face are usually last choices and you have several where the mic is just off the face enough to make the shot. Reject the rest.

You have many closeups of the singer. You should not submit more than 4 of any composition. After all only one will be chosen from each type. Now selection should be easier for you. Look at each picture compared to others in the same group and reject anything that is not in the top four. It may be good but only submit the best.

You did not say if you needed a shot of every individual or shsots of the people attending. If you do definitely submit some of every person.

Summary - decide what you had to have shots of i.e. each performer, audience etc.

for each subject group by close up, or group shot, or mood or anything else you think makes it significently different from any other shot. Then limit the number of any one composition to four shots.

You sound like you need an approach. They these and if you can ask the editor how he selects the photos and try using his method. You may have to use a different selection technique for each person for whom you shoot.

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Thanks , a lot for your help (and time ) .

Yea , I always try to get at least one ok photo of everybody in the band and one of the crowd .

Thanks for your advice I think it will help out a lot .

We really don't have a photo editor so the Executive Director does most of that . We have someone listed as a photo editor but she NEVER goes through any photos

Them (I think ) were some of my worst shots . Take a look this first link the last band that played had VERY LOW lights (no front lights ) and a few weird lights going everywhere with fog . VERY HARD TO PHOTO !
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics4/dep.php

Here's a bunch of links if anybody ever gets some extra time and wants to look through a lot of the shows I've shot and let me know any suggestions tips or bad things you see me doing (or good things ) .
Here ya go .
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/poison_well.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/sloppy.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/slayer.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pi...k_interview.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/nonpoint.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/jonny_lang.php

http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics4/sharon.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/christina.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pi...y_interview.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pi...s_cdrelease.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pi...fectnothing.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/majhas.php
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/brett_m.php

Most of my photo can be found at
http://www.indianapolismusic.net
http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics3/poison_well.php

I'm always looking to get better and learn .
How about my equipment ? Everything seem ok there for places like I shot ?

Last edited by Rocknroll on Feb 8th, 2004 at 10:04 PM

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Rocknroll, I have to agree with your comment that these are not your best pics -- I went through a few other galleries that you posted and they are great! I didn't pick which I liked best of this group (just don't have time right now to go through them) but wanted to comment on your work in general. Keep it up -- I envy your opportunity to shoot stuff like this Bands were my favorite thing to shoot back in the 80's (yes, with film & all!). Keep up the good work -- I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Peggy

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THANKS

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Thats for the link it explains a lot.

Your editors (whoever is chosing the pictures not the title holder) are chosing your pictures by those displaying emotion. Understandable since these are used in an editorial content on a very emotion subject "Music". I looked at several links and always it is the same selection criteria.

Your first group shot of the Dillinger Escape is about as perfect a shot for this purpose as I could image. It would probably have been my first selection for this article as well.

You have the entire band without any recognizable faces, you have the lights dramitically cutting through the photo without covering any of the members or totally overpowering the image and the only clear details in the image is the faces of the audience showing their responce to the music. Pure drama.

Composition, selective focus, drama - everything works in this photo. It is a good shot by any standards but for an editorial it is perfect.

The rest of the pictures are every band member and the audience, so to your first question of how to edit, take 3-4 of the best shots of the groups, audience and each member that gives you 18-24 shots to submit. Compare the pictures to each other and select only the best 3-4 of each group.

It will get to be second nature to you after a while and you will find that with experience you will be editing the photos with every shutter release. When you have a great shot of one subject you can spend more time on the others. Eventually you will come back with a good shot of every member and audience rather than settling for whatever you had. also when you know you have what you need for the shoot, you can take some time to experiment with odd lighting angles - distortion - anything to create additional emotion in the photos. sometimes you will hit a home run on something new.

I usually know when I am shooting what photos were good and whether I need more. I imediately go to the shots I want when reviewing the work.

If I were shooting these events I would shoot each member of the group until I had at least one good shot of each, all the time looking for the "group shot" which your magazine wants. Then a few audience pictures and in half an hour I would have the minimum necessary for the job. Then I would play at trying something new and unusual. That will be the fun part of the job.

Your original comments sounded like you were working too hard yet your pictures look like you were having fun.

One comment on your portraits, I forget the link, a minor retouching to remove unnecessary background items is appropriate and would improve some of the images.

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Here's a link to my latest crappy photos , lol

http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics4/hankiii.php

http://www.indianapolismusic.net/pics4/hankiii.php

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